Fuck Trump and his victim-blaming.
Russia started this war, Russia can stop this war at any moment it chooses to.
If Russia stops fighting, there will be no war.
If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine.
AndiS 🌞🍷🇪🇺 hat dies geteilt.
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il fabbro
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Noortje Van Leeuwen
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Noortje Van Leeuwen • • •Christiane Gante
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •I'd like to know, what's in it for him. "You take Ukraine, Vlad, and I get Greenland"? Something like that, I guess.
𝔱𝔯𝔷𝔶𝔤𝔩𝔬𝔴
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Harald Werner
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Russen nach Russland!
CaD017
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •peachfront
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •agree
someone reminded me of the saying from the Black community "nothing about us without us" this should be equally true of Ukraine or, to be honest, any other nation or group of people
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 hat dies geteilt.
Nobody باچیز नास्ति (he/him)
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Nobody باچیز नास्ति (he/him) • • •US did not start it, Russia did.
It's not a proxy war, it's a war of imperial conquest by Russia against Ukraine. With Russia being very clear they do not consider Ukraine a country, Ukrainian a language, and Ukrainians a people.
Putting it in any other terms is furthering Kremlin's propaganda. Please don't do that.
Fantastic resource for anyone who wants to understand what's going on in Ukraine, and why it is happening:
youtube.com/watch?v=nLfFmYWjHt…
- YouTube
www.youtube.comNobody باچیز नास्ति (he/him)
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •I agree with the truth between *the first line and the penultimate paragraph*. I do not agree with the last line one bit.
I hope tsar Putin keels over. Ukraine is in a tough spot, I hope they can emerge with the least harm that's possible in this scenario where Trump and Putin have designs over their sovereignty.
Sorry, the edited version of your response requires me to change something in asterisks.
Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊 • • •wow that's a shit take.
So if somebody attacks you in your home, and I come to your help – but then have a change of heart and start negotiating with the attacker how much each of us will take from you, that means it was a "proxy" fight from begin with?
Do you still have a right to defend yourself in such a situation?
Would it perhaps make sense for other neighbors to come to your help, so that this shitty behavior doesn't spread?
Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •After desengaging from nuclear treaties and walking over every red line, the US propped up a president in Ukraine eager to please them and join NATO.
Unsurprisingly Russia invaded Ukraine, they had motives and got an excuse.
Since then, the US has provided the weapons and prevented peace talks by Ukraine, will now stop the war at its convenience , with no input from Ukraine, who does the actual fighting, and dying...War by Proxy.
Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊
Als Antwort auf Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊 • • •Lets suppose China offred us to enter a military pact, only install a couple military bases, some ICBM sites....
Mexico, a sovereign country could choose to accept of course: freedom etc.
But. Would it be wise? Would we be surprised of US opposition and retaliations?
We dont even have to guess.When Russia dared to put missiles on Cuba (libre?) in 1962, the US nearly went nuclear...
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊 • • •in such a case, would US opposition and retaliation be justified in your opinion?
Also, US never offered Ukraine to invite them into NATO. Ukraine wants to get into NATO due to a dangerous neighbor that has shown time and again that it treats Ukraine as a colonial target.
There was also never any talk of NATO nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Ukraine *gave away* nuclear weapons in return for safety guarantees, including from Russia.
Your analogy is pretty much non-analogous.
Mimino
Als Antwort auf Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊 • • •@dacig @tadbithuman 1. noone wants to put ICBMs in Ukraine, what the hell are you even talking about? (In fact Ukraine gave up ICBMs for "security" from russia, but why worry about such details right?)
2. this might surprise you, but the fact that the us wanted to treat Cuba as a colony does not in fact justify russia treating Ukraine as a colony
Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊
Als Antwort auf Mimino • • •If they belonged to NATO however, they would be considered for Nuclear sharing ( Italy, Belgium, Germany and Turkey host Nuclear weapons from the US)
So yes ICBMs in Ukraine is a possibility.
Colonialism IS the problem.
I do not approve of Russian invasion, it's difficult to live among giants; the Ukrainian people were misguided by Zelensky, the "support" from US and Europe
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊 • • •@dacig
> Ukrainian people were misguided
How quickly you find yourself denying Ukrainians their agency and ability to make informed decisions. And you, I guess, float over the waters in ideal state of being fully informed of all things in heaven and earth?
I asked you a few questions, you have not responded to a single one:
mstdn.social/@rysiek/114031849…
I repeat: do Ukrainian people, in your opinion, have the right to self-determination?
@gaugedaway @tadbithuman
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
2025-02-19 17:58:52
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •also:
> If they belonged to NATO however, they would be considered for Nuclear sharing
So, you are throwing a hypothetical where Ukraine reneges on their Budapest memorandum promise, against a situation where Russia has *repeatedly* already, in reality, reneged on *their* Budapest memorandum promise?..
Ignoring the fact that Ukraine never even got invited into NATO or been offered a track for joining it, before the war broke out?
@gaugedaway @tadbithuman
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •@dacig how is that different from Rumsfeld claiming, back in the day, that Iraq could get weapons of mass destruction and therefore has to be invaded preemptively? 👀
@gaugedaway @tadbithuman
Nobody باچیز नास्ति (he/him)
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •@dacig @gaugedaway
Everyone is entitled to self determination, conditions apply. If the great powers allow it. See Palestine.
It is neither just nor moral.
International politics is run on the interests of the great powers, read profits of the ruling class, plutarchs or oligarchs.
On the question of morality, denying or ending asylum is wrong as well.
America and Russia continue to do as they please.
Mimino
Als Antwort auf Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊 • • •@dacig @tadbithuman 1. Yes, they signed accords in exchange for territorial security from russia. Which side would you say didn't hold up their side of the agreement?
2. "If they belonged", "would have" - maybe focus on the invasion actually happening, rather than on scenarios that noone besides delusional westerners realistically considered?
3. How exactly were Ukrainians misguided by Zelensky?
4. If you believe colonialism to be a problem then kindly stop justifying colonialist actions.
Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊
Als Antwort auf Mimino • • •Russia Invaded a neighbour.
The US wanted to destabilize the region and plunder Ukraine, and ultimately wants to cash in. (10 000 km from Washington)
Europe wanted to cosplay as Democrats, and as soldiers from their couches.
Zelensky had little margin, owing much to foreign influences.
None of these actors think of the Ukrainian people. The ones who really pay.
Thinking of prolonging war helps the interests of the powerful
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊 • • •@dacig
> None of these actors think of the Ukrainian people. The ones who really pay.
> Thinking of prolonging war helps the interests of the powerful
Do you know any Ukrainians? Have you ever been to Ukraine? I do, and I have.
I could tell you what my Ukrainian friends think of this kind of patronizing pretend-concern for their well being, used as a thin veil over denying their ability to make their own choices, but English is not to adequately expressive here.
@gaugedaway @tadbithuman
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •@dacig also, even with all the hand-waving, I note you have not answered direct questions from myself and from @gaugedaway.
For the third time, simple question from me:
In your opinion, do Ukrainians have the right to self-determination?
This is not a trick question.
@tadbithuman
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Juan Per¢ent🍉🏞️🌊 • • •@dacig @tadbithuman
> What the US does is destabilize regions.
Some regions, yes. Russia does the same to some other regions. Doesn't make any of them "good".
> the US propped up a president in Ukraine eager to please them and join NATO.
Do Ukrainian people, in your opinion, have the right to self-determination?
> US has provided the weapons and prevented peace talks by Ukraine
How did the US "prevent peace talks"? Are you aware of Minsk accords and how all that went?
viq
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •The Enemy is Within
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •and next Poland is threatened and that is the brink of world war.
All because Trump got played?
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf The Enemy is Within • • •Ajay Cyanide
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •He's got to be a Kremlin agent. Wonder if his boy Putin pays him in dollars or rubles?
As an American and a decent human being, I'm both angered and ashamed of Trump, his supporters, and his garbage "politics".
#FuckTrump
ramede
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Is this true or not?
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf ramede • • •it is demonstrably false. There was no "push for Ukraine to join NATO", NATO has always been pretty apprehensive about Ukraine joining.
Instead, Ukraine wanted to join NATO due to having a neighbor – Russia – who had very clear imperialist intentions towards it.
The "it's all because NATO" bit is an old Kremlin talking point.
Regarding "assurances", UA was assured in 1991 that Russia will not violate its borders. And then it brazenly did in 2014.
Radek Czajka
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •@ramede
Also, assurances about Ukraine re NATO in the aftermath of WW2?
What?
EarthMomma
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Wanna know who has NO CONTROL OVER THIS WAR AT ALL.............................. Trump.
Absolutely ZERO SAY in what happens. Unless of course he just turns our military over to Putin which i would not put past him.
And as perfectly TRUMP, every single thing he sates is opposite or projection and his post this morning showed exactly how SKEERED he really is.
He is POWERLESS to Putin because Putin owns him.
The one and only thing Trump can do is yell loudly at the lawn mower boy.
Quarky
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Als Antwort auf Quarky • • •Quarky
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Plsik (born in 320 ppm)
Als Antwort auf Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •SHTTRMP